Tokorozawa Mental Clinics - Tokorozawa

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住所 :

あらいビル 3F 9-5 Higashisumiyoshi, Tokorozawa, Saitama 359-1124, Japan

電話 : 📞 +89
Postal code : 359-1124
Webサイト : http://tokorozawa-mc.or.jp/
Opening hours :
Saturday 9–11:30AM
Sunday Closed
Monday 9–11:30AM
Tuesday 9–11:30AM
Wednesday 9–11:30AM
Thursday 9–11:30AM
Friday 9–11:30AM
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あらいビル 3F 9-5 Higashisumiyoshi, Tokorozawa, Saitama 359-1124, Japan
中島多聞 on Google

ここはメンタルクリニックで、一般の内科などはありません。 しかしながら、埼玉県でも、コロナ禍で感染者が増加している中、せめて入口で体温チェックはしていただきたいと思います。 感染防止のため、席を離したり、換気は行ってくださっているようですが、一番大事な入口でのチェックがされていないと思います。 簡便な確認で結構ですし、とてもお世話になっているクリニックなので、最悪、クラスターだけは避けてほしいと思います。 朝の廊下の待機者の「密」も、ご一考いただけると嬉しいです。 投稿後、何度か通院していますが、変化はありません。クリニックの扉が開くまで、今日は12人の患者さんが狭い廊下に密集して、待機していました。 病院には敷地外の事なので責任はないのでしょうが、日頃から患者をどう捉えているのか、こういう時に分かりますね。因みに投稿時の今は非常事態宣言発令中です。
This is a mental clinic and there is no general internal medicine. However, even in Saitama Prefecture, the number of infected people is increasing due to the corona virus, so I would like you to at least check your body temperature at the entrance. It seems that they have left their seats and ventilated to prevent infection, but I don't think they have been checked at the most important entrance. A simple check is fine, and since it is a clinic that is indebted to me, I would like you to avoid clusters at worst. I would be grateful if you could consider the "denseness" of the waiting people in the corridor in the morning. I have been to the hospital several times after posting, but there is no change. Twelve patients were waiting in a narrow corridor today until the clinic door opened. Since the hospital is outside the premises, I don't think it's responsible, but at such times you can understand how you perceive patients on a daily basis. By the way, at the time of posting, a state of emergency is being announced.
ヨナ on Google

こちらに16年間かかり、現在は通院していません。 確かに時間をかけて話を聞いてくれます。 が、ベンゾ系を含む多剤大量処方により常用依存となりました。 また、薬の説明、特に副作用については全くなくただ飲めば良くなる、安心、安全な薬としか言われませんでした。 薬剤師もまた何の説明もありません。 強い薬の副作用で出た夢遊病、強いふらつき等に主治医は何のコメントもありませんでした。 そして少しでも調子が悪いというと簡単に増薬します。 今考えると異常な数の薬を手のひら一杯毎食後寝る前にラムネの如く飲んでいました。 その後自力で環境を変えるなど努力し、鬱も回復、自分から減薬をお願いしたのですが今考えるとかなり急な減薬であったため激しい離脱症状が現れ今も苦しんでいます。 一年くらいは寝たきりになりました。 減薬はかなり慎重にごく微量ずつ長期的に行わないと命に関わります。 勿論主治医はベンゾ系の薬による離脱症状は認めませんでした。 ベンゾ系は基本的に短期間のみ有効な薬です。 漫然と長期処方することは良くないというのが常識となっており、厚労省も診療報酬の点数の減額をもって警告を発していますが守られてはいないのが現状でしょう。 要するに経営面に響くから渋々薬は多く処方しないという医者側の認識であると 先日千葉大の特任教授があるセミナーで仰っていました。 医療者側がベンゾ系を含む多剤大量処方による依存、強い副作用、急な減薬、断薬の怖さに問題意識が高まったということではないのは残念だとも仰っていました。 また私はベンゾの中でも最強力価であるリボトリールを少量からでなくいきなり大量に処方するなどかなり無茶なことをされました。 患者も無知であってはいけないと実感しています。力価を知ることは大事なことだと思います。 医者が出す薬だからと安易に飲まず、まずどんな薬か調べることをお勧めします。 良いことだけでなくそれに伴う副作用や耐性についての説明をしない医者にはかからないことです。 社協の方の話ですと減薬に応じてくれるだけまだ良いということでした。 この辺りに精神科、心療内科の闇を感じます。 最後まで責任を持って患者を診てほしいものです。 勿論いきなりやめて何の影響も出ない人もたくさんいます。あくまでも自分の経験上の話です。 それから皆さん書かれている通り雨の日、夏、冬屋外で何時間も待つ覚悟が必要です。 また自立支援を受けていましたがそんな制度があることを教えてはくれませんでした。 他の方から聞いて主治医に尋ねたら手続きをとってくれました。 患者側が知らないこうした制度や情報はクリニックから発信してほしいものです。 またこちらのクリニックは自立支援受給者証をクリニック側が預かってしまいます。 社協に聞きましたがそういうクリニックは聞いたことがないとのことです。 普通は自分で管理するものです。 知らないとそれが当たり前と思ってしまいます。 ともかく転居もあり、クリニックとは縁は切れましたが離脱症状を治すための減薬に応じてくれる病院は非常に少ないのが現状です。 こちらのクリニックでの減薬はよく方法を聞いた上で判断した方が良いと思います。 ご参考までに。
It took me 16 years and I am not going to the hospital now. It certainly takes time to listen. However, due to the large amount of polypharmacy containing benzos, it became a regular use. In addition, there was no explanation of the drug, especially side effects, and it was said that it was a safe and secure drug that could be taken just by taking it. The pharmacist also has no explanation. The attending physician did not comment on sleepwalking, strong wobbling, etc. caused by the side effects of strong drugs. And if you feel a little sick, you can easily increase the drug. When I think about it now, I was taking an unusual number of medicines like ramune after every meal and before going to bed. After that, I made an effort to change the environment on my own, recovered from depression, and asked myself to reduce the drug, but when I think about it now, the drug was reduced so suddenly that severe withdrawal symptoms appeared and I am still suffering. I've been bedridden for about a year. Drug reduction can be life-threatening if not done very carefully and in very small amounts over the long term. Of course, the attending physician did not show withdrawal symptoms due to benzo drugs. Benzodiazepines are basically drugs that are effective only for a short period of time. It is common knowledge that long-term prescriptions are not good, and the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare has issued a warning with a reduction in medical fee points, but the current situation is that it is not being followed. In short, it is the recognition of the doctor that he does not prescribe many medicines because it affects the management side. The other day, a specially appointed professor at Chiba University said at a seminar. He also said that it was a pity that medical professionals were not aware of the problems caused by addiction, strong side effects, sudden drug reductions, and fear of drug withdrawal due to large-scale prescriptions of multiple drugs including benzos. Also, I did something quite unreasonable, such as prescribing a large amount of Ribotril, which is the most powerful benzo, suddenly instead of starting from a small amount. I realize that patients should not be ignorant. I think it is important to know the titer. It is recommended that you do not take the medicine easily because it is given by a doctor, but first find out what kind of medicine it is. Don't ask a doctor who doesn't explain not only the good things but also the side effects and tolerances that accompany them. According to the council, it was still good enough to accept the drug reduction. I feel the darkness of psychiatry and psychosomatic medicine around here. I want you to see the patient responsibly until the end. Of course, there are many people who stop suddenly and have no effect. It's just my experience. Then, as you write, you need to be prepared to wait hours outdoors on rainy days, summers and winters. I also received independence support, but did not tell me that there was such a system. When I heard from another person and asked my doctor, he took the procedure. I would like the clinic to disseminate such systems and information that patients do not know. Also, at this clinic, the clinic will keep the independence support beneficiary certificate. I asked the council, but I heard that I have never heard of such a clinic. Usually you manage it yourself. If you don't know it, you'll take it for granted. Anyway, due to the move, the clinic is no longer connected, but there are very few hospitals that offer drug reductions to cure withdrawal symptoms. I think it is better to make a decision after asking how to reduce the drug at this clinic. For your information.
後藤舞花 on Google

私の性格の傾向は皆と同じ様に出来るけど、感情の波が起きた時にコントロールをする事が苦手。次からは1週間に1回通院をする。
My personality tendencies are the same as everyone else, but I'm not good at controlling when emotional waves occur. From now on, I will go to the hospital once a week.
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HA TG on Google

医師の児玉って奴はかなり対応悪いです。他の方も児玉は最悪と言ってます。受付も良い人嫌な人います。各務先生は立派な医者です。
Kodama, a doctor, is pretty bad at dealing with him. Others also say that Kodama is the worst. There are people who dislike good reception. Kagami-sensei is a good doctor.
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satoko t on Google

愛想がなく受付の対応がとても悪い。 また午前中の営業開始時間に行っても2時間以上は待たされる。3時間ほど待たされた時その後の予定があり、受付に伝えると診察もせずに薬だけ渡された。待たすだけ待たせて診察もかなり雑。最悪。
There is no amiability and the reception is very poor. Also, even if you go to the business start time in the morning, you will have to wait for more than 2 hours. When I had to wait for about 3 hours, I had a plan after that, and when I told the receptionist, I was given only the medicine without a medical examination. The medical examination is quite miscellaneous because I have to wait as long as I wait. terrible.
ライオンキング on Google

多くの精神科がそうですが、初診のみ予約必須な病院なのでお気をつけください。 待ち時間はかなり長いと思います。 わたしは発達障害の疑いで受診しました。 心理士さんがいらっしゃって診察をしてくださりました。自分の障害の程度や、自分の性格の悪さだと思っていたことが障害のために出ていることなどしれ、対処法などもわかって少し安心できました。 手帳の申請などでも親身に相談に乗ってもらえました。たまたま近いからここに通いだしましたが、この病院に通えてよかったです。
As with many psychiatrists, please be aware that this is a hospital where reservations are required only for the first visit. I think the waiting time is quite long. I had a medical examination on suspicion of developmental disability. A psychologist came and gave me a medical examination. I was a little relieved to know how to deal with the degree of my disability and what I thought was my bad personality because of my disability. Even when applying for a notebook, I was kindly asked to consult with me. I happened to go here because it was close, but I'm glad I could go to this hospital.
【メインチャンネル】だーま on Google

とにかく待ち時間が長いです。三密回避などとは無縁の待合室。 1度徐脈発作持ちでかなり調子が悪くなり横になりたいと伝えるが「ソファで横になってください。」と。 女性にとってソファで横になることは中々ハードルも高く、なんとか耐えましたがその後1時間以上待たされ具合も悪化の一途だったため受付に帰宅したい旨を伝える。「あ、そうですか。」とだけ言われました。笑 発達検査が出来るとHPにありますが「うちには心理士がいないので出来ません。」との事。 他、診察は基本傾聴スタイルではなく話している途中で会話をかぶせてきます。ほんとに精神科医なのかしら?と疑います。 口を開けば薬を減らせ減らせ、です。10何年続けた薬なのでそんなにすぐに減薬出来ないのは百も承知のはずですが「減算になるから…」とお金の話しかしません。 待ち時間的にも診察内容的にも耐えかねて、心理士がいるその先生の古巣の病院に転院したい旨を伝えると明らかに嫌な顔。 「心理検査したいと言っても全て叶う訳では無い。」と言いますが電話できちんと検査が受けられる旨は先方に確認したと伝えるとまたしかめっ面。捨て台詞の様に「あそこは形式的なことしか出来ませんからね。」と。 とてもお粗末な診察より、転院先の若い医師の方が誠実に検査、診察を行って下さいます。 最後の最後で転院先の初診日に紹介状は届きませんでした。 こちらの事実を参照の上で迷っている方は受診するかどうかご自身でご判断ください。 名前は忘れましたが長身のひょろっとした先生でした。
Anyway, the waiting time is long. A waiting room that has nothing to do with avoiding the Three Cs. He said he had a bradycardia attack and was feeling very ill and wanted to lie down, but he said, "Please lie down on the sofa." For a woman, lying down on the sofa was a high hurdle, and she managed to endure it, but after waiting for more than an hour, her condition was getting worse, so she told the receptionist that she wanted to go home. I was just told, "Oh, is that so?" Smile The website says that a developmental test can be done, but "I can't because we don't have a psychologist." In addition, the medical examination is not a basic listening style, but the conversation is covered in the middle of the conversation. Are you really a psychiatrist? I doubt. If you open your mouth, you can reduce the amount of medicine. You should know that it is not possible to reduce the drug so quickly because it is a drug that has been used for 10 years, but I only talk about money, saying, "Because it will be a subtraction ...". I couldn't stand the waiting time and the content of the examination, and when I told him that I wanted to transfer to the hospital of the teacher's old nest where there was a psychologist, I was clearly disgusted. He says, "Even if you want to have a psychological test, not all of them will come true." Like the abandoned line, "I can only do formal things over there." Rather than a very poor examination, the young doctor at the transfer destination will perform the examination and examination in good faith. At the very end, I did not receive a letter of introduction on the day of my first visit to the hospital. If you are uncertain about this fact, please decide for yourself whether or not to go to the clinic. I forgot the name, but he was a tall and lonely teacher.
ノーニー on Google

検査の臨床心理士さんだけは良かったが、先生頼んだ外部の方なのでこの病院の直接的な評価にはなりませんが、結果の他に分かりやすくて手紙をくれたので良かったです。 クリニックの評価ですが良くないです。 自分は発達障害の診断をしてもらいたくて、駅近で立地は良いので行きました。 自分はたまたま運が良く、初回予約の期間が短かったようですが、普通は2,3ヶ月待ちのようです。 発達障害ではなく基本的にクリニックの予約がみたいですね。 クリニックは小さいが先生は1人ではないし土曜日の午後までやってるのに不思議です。 再診は予約なしで三密の中待たされます(小さいクリニックなのに大病院並みに待たされます)。検温や消毒やソーシャルディスタンスがないのに待たされるので嫌な方は戻り時間を聞いて外出しても良いかもです。近くにコンビニもありますので。(寧ろこれは自分の判断でメンタルクリニックに来る患者さんの多くはこういうのを自発的に伝えるのが苦手な方が比較的多いのでクリニック側が基本的に取組むべきです。) コロナ前から待機対応も受付の対応も悪いです。 ホームページもあるだけマシかもですが、PCの古いページ見にくく情報が微妙で結局電話する必要がありホームページの内容が受付の人が言うには少し違うようです。(担当の先生の休みが異なる) 自分が発達障害ということではなく受付の人と会話が成立しません。毎度聞いてる内容と異なる答えがかえってきます。それの上に態度も悪いです。電話は会話が成立しないため、何度も聞きに行かれ保留にされますのでかけ放題ではない人は注意です。 トイレは1つしかなく狭い上に詰まってて入れない時までありました。 先生だけは良いと言いますが先生もどうかと思います。本来初診に伝えるべくクリニックルールを伝え忘れ5年後にやっと言ったと思ったら、もともとそ~だったとか初めて言われて、空謝りかと思えば、次の瞬間大きな変更のお願いされました。(多分コロナで患者が減ってるから?なのか(環境とか基本的なクリニックルールやってないから患者さん減ったのでは?)と思わざる負えない。) もちろん、そのお願いの話で診察代発生する訳で(もちろん薬とかなし。メンタルクリニックは先生と療法に関係ない事(クリニックの伝え忘れたルールとお願い)を話されるだけでお金が発生するのかと思うとメンタルクリニックって通いづらいというか、しかもそれに対して受付の人がはっきりそれを認めました。(ホームページや院内に張り紙で済む程度の内容))第一その伝え忘れのルールやお願いの内容は金銭的に大きな負担なので、信用できないので金儲け主義なのかと思わざる負えない。中で時間をかけて話を聞いてくれるとありますがそれが親身なのかは疑わしいです。 というようにクリニックに来て逆にストレス溜まっては本末転倒です。(自分は軽度発達障害で2次障害ないので基本的に薬もなし) 総合的に態度が悪いとか管理システム(ルールと説明)とかコロナな対応とかはクリニックとして致命的なので総評良くないです。 ただ、立地条件と臨床心理士さん(外部委託)だけは良いと思います。 それでも合う人は合うのでそういう人には良いクリニックなのかも知れません。
Only the clinical psychologist of the examination was good, but since it is an outsider who asked the teacher, it is not a direct evaluation of this hospital, but it was good because he sent me a letter in an easy-to-understand manner in addition to the results. The evaluation of the clinic is not good. I wanted to have a diagnosis of developmental disability, so I went because the location is good near the station. I happened to be lucky and the initial reservation period was short, but usually it seems to be waiting for a few months. I'd like to make a reservation for a clinic, not a developmental disability. The clinic is small, but it's strange that there isn't one teacher and it's open until Saturday afternoon. The return visit will be waited in the middle of the Three Cs without reservation (even though it is a small clinic, it will be waited like a large hospital). If you don't like it, you may ask for the return time and go out because you have to wait even though there is no temperature measurement, disinfection or social distance. There is also a convenience store nearby. (Rather, many of the patients who come to the mental clinic at their own discretion are relatively poor at communicating this kind of thing voluntarily, so the clinic should basically work on it.) From the front of the corona, the waiting response and the reception response are poor. It may be better to have a homepage, but the old page on the PC is hard to see and the information is subtle, so it is necessary to call after all, and the content of the homepage seems to be a little different from what the receptionist says. (The holidays of the teacher in charge are different) It's not that I have a developmental disability, and I can't have a conversation with the receptionist. You will get an answer that is different from what you hear every time. On top of that, the attitude is also bad. Since the conversation cannot be established on the phone, people who are not all-you-can-call will be careful as they will be asked many times and put on hold. There was only one toilet and it was too small to fit in. I say that only the teacher is good, but I wonder if the teacher is also good. Originally I forgot to tell the clinic rules to tell the first visit, but when I thought that I finally said it 5 years later, I was told for the first time that it was originally, and if I thought it was an empty apology, I was asked to make a big change the next moment. (Maybe because the number of patients is decreasing in Corona? (Isn't the number of patients decreasing because I haven't done the environment or basic clinic rules?) I can't help but wonder.) Of course, the request will generate a medical examination fee (of course, it's a medicine. Mental clinics will generate money just by telling the teacher that things are not related to therapy (rules and requests that the clinic forgot to tell). When I think about it, it's difficult to go to a mental clinic, and the receptionist clearly admitted it. Since the content is a heavy financial burden, I cannot trust it, so I cannot help thinking that it is a money-making principle. It is said that he will take the time to listen to the story, but it is doubtful that he is kind. If you come to the clinic and get stressed, you will be overwhelmed. (I have a mild developmental disability and no secondary disability, so basically no medicine) The overall bad attitude, management system (rules and explanations), and corona response are fatal as a clinic, so they are not generally well received. However, I think that only the location conditions and the clinical psychologist (outsourced) are good. Even so, people who fit will fit, so it may be a good clinic for such people.

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